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2005-02-05 [Cat0132]: actually they probably could, the illegals here is HUGE, they've busted alot of them right near were I live currently, including a very good roast beef place >.< its not one in a couple million, it really is easy...you are Laissez-Faire obesessive arent you? and fox news hasnt been there that long, I remember cause Bill O'Reilly had a big welcoming thing, got alot of mail from canadians...it was entertianing. That guy is such a windbag
2005-02-05 [Maurer's conclusions]: "you can't seperate church and state, not there" - Ahem, Saddam Hussein's government was a secular one...
2005-02-05 [Maurer's conclusions]: Lol, Eldheler, you mention propaganda. Look at Fox TV, that is an excellent example of Republican agitprop.
2005-02-05 [Maurer's conclusions]: Why would you hate to live in a social democracy? Countries like Norway and Sweden have the best living standards in the world.
2005-02-05 [Cat0132]: yes, but CNN is incredibly left, you need to balance them out, and in the Middle East religion is such a huge part of their society, it's cant be like here where little crosses from californian flags are taken off because dear god, if COULD offend someone. Yeah such great tolerance. Socialism isn't a very good idea, sure there are worst ones, but I can't stand most of europe and their governments, though most of the people are okay I dont agree with how they think, it's very liberal and I like to have more of a balance
2005-02-06 [KimoN]: very liberal...do you mean very un religious?
2005-02-06 [Cat0132]: no I'm not religious either, I mean...partial abortion, gay marriage (not that I mind) they accept terror tactets and encourage them, its funny though, liberals are usually very Laissez Farie, but they live in controlling governments...
2005-02-06 [Dil*]: Do you know nothing about the political spectrum, liberals are NOT Laissez Faire IE: capitalism. Conservatives are.
2005-02-06 [Dil*]: And no, our govt is not very controlling at all, quite the opposite. We let people do whatever they want...liberal
2005-02-06 [Cat0132]: Laissez Faire is individual freedom, with utalitarism is pushing down individual freedom for the better good. Capitalism is the best route, without it things are just...eh... You let individuals do that they want, almost, but companies ect are supressed, shoved down with so many requirements and laws they cant grow. Abortion is a perfect example of Laissez Faire and Utalitarism, pro-chioce is LF, individual freedom, while pro-life is U, 'supressing' individual 'rights' for the greater good. Though the right to kill another doesnt, and shouldnt exist.
2005-02-06 [Dil*]: No, you're suppressing women's rights by controlling, regulating or banning abortions. See, more govt control.. and we have regulations and stuff to protect the environment.
2005-02-06 [Dil*]: Laissez Faire mentallity is that the rich should go to better schools and the poor should go to crappier schools. Laissez-Faire= companies just dumping toxic wastes into rivers with no one to stop them. Laissez-Faire was the main ideology in the Industrial Revolution...a
2005-02-06 [KimoN]: well spoken Dilandau. No matter what some Americans say about their universities and claim that bright+poor students still get grants to go to uni in Amerca, it still doesnt beat a system where university education is free for ALL who are capable, which is the current state of affairs in all European countries
2005-02-06 [KimoN]: and im afraid 'the land of the free' doesnt offer this.
2005-02-06 [Cat0132]: supressing womens rights? hell I'm a women I think its disgusting. I dont have the right to kill my brother, nor my worst enemy, and I wont be able to kill my children when they are born, is that taking away my right? Industrial Revolution was both Laissez Faire AND Utalitarism, the five english thinkers, as well as huge powergaps from alot of revolutions, which then led to stablier governments and investors taking chances...but of course it's all america's fault the world is a mess, its ALWAYS our fault. Trust me when I say we are trying. Europe is in deep trouble, not with how the average person lives but they are far to friendly to other ideas, like radical islam, its tearing holland
2005-02-06 [Cat0132]: apart and france is probably going to get torn up soon too...its really sad. *sigh* well my article this week is Iraq Elections, I'll bet no one in my school will know naything worth quoting...I hate living in a small rich town
2005-02-06 [KimoN]: seriously America has to sort out its education system...ur totally ignoring me so i assume that you dont care about education. 1/4 of your population has no health care...and yet you still think America is some sort of paradise! lol. In Britatin healthcare is completely free to ALL...even bums off the street. For example poor old women in America have to make a choice between buying food and their lifesaving medication. Is this a just society? i think not!
2005-02-06 [farfy girl]: Umm... How can healthcare ever be truly free until everyone has their own little panacea tree? It's not free, it's paid for by TAXPAYERS! Having hardworking citizens paying for a bum's viagra is anything but just. (yes, they are thinking about adding viagra to medicare in America soon... *shakes head*) And Dilandau, before you start talking about the government having too much control over peoples' lives, take a look at your own country and what I just said. What's more important: a woman being able to "fix" a bad choice that she's made, or saving the life of a completely helpless individual? Sure, women can go protest regulations on abortions, but can those poor babies do that??
2005-02-06 [farfy girl]: Maybe you should go interview some of those torn up fetuses...
2005-02-06 [Kyrinn]: THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING VIAGRA ON MEDICARE?? WTF???
2005-02-06 [elfboy]: Acck, not thank you.
2005-02-06 [KimoN]: no providing healthcare through tax offers poor ppl healthcare who could not otherwise afford it, they are hard working too and deserve it. so therefore its alot better than having Americas system of healthcare where 1/4 of the population are neglected. We are not just talking about a 'bums viagra', we are talkinga bout diseases like diabetes which if not treated can laed to blindness and amputation of the legs and heart disease. Its not just bums im talking about here, i used that as a means to demonstrate how wide the social safty net is cast in britain. Im talking about poor hardworking ppl in general who give just as much to society as the wealthier sectors, we owe them healthcare.
2005-02-06 [Kyrinn]: Myself and my family finally got Medicaid. Muchly needed. My son qualified already, but for adults it requires quite a dance to get it. I am thankful to get it, since my son has diabetes, without it we would be suffering greatly. The medicaid program and Welfare have come a long way, and thanks to the leaches of it, it makes it more difficult to qualify, even if you meet all the qualifications of it... Diabetes and serious illness is one thing, but VIAGRA?? Why? What medical benefit is there? Just so a older fella can keep it up longer? Viagra has its uses, but to be covered by Medicare? come ON..
2005-02-06 [farfy girl]: You ever heard that saying by Mark Twain? It goes something like this: "There are all these people going around acting like the world owes them everything. The world owes you nothing! It was here first!" I think that a little bit of a safety net is acceptable, but when some people are taxed 90% and handing out welfare like candy, both those things really lower incentives to work hard. He who only has to suckle a teat all day won't see a reason to do a **** for the human race. I'm only a teen, and I donate time and money to charities that I think are worthy of my hard-earned time and money, and I'm not about to let the government steal it from me and hand it out as they see fit!
2005-02-06 [farfy girl]: And also, the reason that leeches exist in the system in the first place is when people want to just baby everyone lazier or less fortunate than them. I do understand that there are a lot of people in the world that need a helping hand, but I'd like to do it myself instead of forking over my money to the government and letting them run the show with money that I broke my back for. When I was a baby, my parents were very poor, and one of my friends in elementary school got killed by a gang because that's the only place that we could afford to live. At one point we were in the upper-middle class without anyone's dang help; just because we all did our parts to scrimp & save while my dad worked.
2005-02-07 [Kyrinn]: Well, Im not one to take money from the government, and Ive paid my taxes for years. I have watched other ppl be allowed to rape the system, while I could not benefit from a program that my taxes pay for. Just because I am on medicaid att he moment does not mean that I am leaching from it. More, I would rather NOT have to resort to getting Medicaid and food stamps, but I want to be able to feed my son. My husband's work does NOT offer benefits, and neither does my job, so what else am I supposed to do? Without the aid of food stamps I and my family would starve. That is the main reason I went for this program. I pay into it every damn yr, for once it should work for me is how I see it..
2005-02-07 [Dil*]: Free healthcare okay, that's the right way. If an old person breaks their arm and dont have enough money to pay for that. What the hell are they supposed to do, just lay down quietly and die?
2005-02-07 [Dil*]: Sure you get leechers, you always get leechers...but the pros outweigh the cons. I mean it's not like the hospital is handing out drugs or something. They're helping people that are sick, injured or dying.
2005-02-07 [Dil*]: And pro-life means you'll have some unwanted kids that are put up for adoption. There's a strain to the system.
2005-02-07 [Cat0132]: strain to the system my ass, I know plenty of kids who have been adopted for that very reason, it works fine. Ugh, system, well how about we kill off half the people living in overpopulated areas so there is less polution, huh? its disgusting. Anyways, the Patriots won again! my awesome hometeam! Wish I could write an article on that instead...
2005-02-07 [Dil*]: I don't get pro-lifers...i
2005-02-07 [Dil*]: wait, I don't think this is the correct place to debate this..abortion discussions, there we go.
2005-02-07 [farfy girl]: I'm sorry, don't get my wrong, Kyrinn. When I said that some people do deserve safety nets I meant that your family is an example of that. Dilandau, does a person in a coma deserve life? They can't think, and may never wake up, so should they just unplug them, as well as other people near death on life support??
2005-02-07 [Dil*]: depends how long they're in a coma, after 10 years, I would understand if you pulled the plug. You know how much money it takes to moniter, keep someone in a coma alive...
2005-02-07 [Kyrinn]: Its ok, Farfy, and I understand how you feel about it. I hide the fact that Ive got the food stamps and Medicaid, Ive known ppl who bragged about the money they got from the state, how they went out and got pregnant again and again just to get the benefits. I dislike ppl who do that. The other day I was using my Quest card for the first time, and the schmuck in line behind me kept making snide comments about me without directing them at me, and I was upset by it. I just felt like I was classified into the category of "Leech" by that, and it made me upset to hear that. I know I have felt like that before but I never said it to the air...
2005-02-07 [KimoN]: it makes no sense to disagree with free medical care just to prevent 2% of the population from leeching. Its very harsh to deprive the rest of the population of their genuine needs because of the abuses of a few malingerers. I think you are being over-vigilant farfy
2005-02-07 [Vanalyn]: *Blinks* Not touching with a 10-foot pole. :P
2005-02-07 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: Yikes, more hard core discussions
2005-02-07 [Cat0132]: its way more then 2% who leech of the governments generousity of stuff like welfare and healthcare
2005-02-07 [KimoN]: even if it was 20% its still unfair to deprive the majority
2005-02-07 [farfy girl]: lol... you know, welfare queens get SUV's and very nice furniture for nothing, so I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing goes on in the medical industry. I was reading this book recently, and the author used to work at a welfare place around his college years because he thought that it'd be a nice thing to do. While he had a tiny apartment and had to use orange crates for a table, (he didn't qualify for welfare, nor want it) people were getting furniture that would cost thousands of dollars to buy delivered to their place for nothing, and this guy had a drastic change of heart in not only seeing that, but how some of these people were such snobs even though they were poor as dirt.
2005-02-07 [KimoN]: who cares about the welfare queens! i want to save the grannies in America who cant afford their medication! lol
2005-02-07 [Cat0132]: its sucking away money from the people who actually need it, is that so hard to understand?
2005-02-07 [KimoN]: But the thing is at the current moment, in America 1/4 of the ppl aint getting health at All! better a few leeches get benefits, than 1/4 of a 'developed' country gets nothing. Free health cover is posible in America its just that the American government is incompetant and ignorant. they dont care they have healthcover.
2005-02-08 [Dil*]: Yes, isn't democracy about helping out the majority?
2005-02-08 [Cat0132]: thats socialism and what communism SHOULD be like (but communism doesnt work), America is a competative society, its how we try to be 'the best', look if you were told that your whole class who take a test and everyone would get the average do you seriosuly think people are going to try hard if they know all thats going to happen is they are going to be pulled down? or if they are just going to be pulled up? and besides there are MUCH better ways to help other then give the government money to give to whoever is 'elligable' like volenteer work, donating exacly what people NEED instead of money for whatever they WANT- thats what I do, it works far better then it going through the government.
2005-02-08 [Dil*]: We're talking about healthcare here, and you're going off about how communism is obsolete. I don't get the connection.
2005-02-08 [Cat0132]: we're talking about socialism, it would be GREAT if everyone could have healthcare, but so many take advantage over what we do give them, alot of people who NEED it dont take it, and alot who DONT need it DO take it. We aren't socialist, it doesnt work in this country for reasons stated above.
2005-02-08 [Dil*]: It works in Canada and to be honest, we're not that far off from you guys.
2005-02-08 [KimoN]: Where did this communism thing come from? Im talking about universal healthcare which is present in many capitalist countries and works very well there. I cant believe you guys are arguing in favour of the American system, so many people are suffering. I guess you are indifferent because you can afford healthcare? I am really concerned about the elderly on pensions who have contributed to America in the past and are being neglected right now. Or how about a single mother who has 4 kids and works fulltime on two jobs, and still cant afford healthcare, what is she to do if one of her kids gets leukaemia? i guess u guys would vouch for 'tough luck' because the mum does not try and be 'the best'
2005-02-08 [KimoN]: Dontating isnt that good an option because it might miss this woman. Governmental funded healthcare would catch everyone in need.
2005-02-08 [farfy girl]: When I made examples a while ago of people in Canada going to the vet for healthcare, and you said that I shouldn't believe them because it's just something I heard off the internet, why should I believe YOU when you say your country's setup is so wonderful?
2005-02-08 [KimoN]: u can go here.... http://www.nhs
2005-02-08 [KimoN]: Or alternatively ask any other british person about the NHS
2005-02-09 [Dil*]: If welfare people get SUV's and very nice furniture...wh
2005-02-09 [Dil*]: (reply to [farfy girl] rant about welfare queens)
2005-02-09 [Cat0132]: thats cause alot of people don't want to take it even though they need it, and are elligable, the ones who mooch do do that, its just legal loopholes ect. no donations is so much better, and its how this country has aloways given in times of tragedy as well, people here are willing to give without the government FORCING them to give
2005-02-09 [Dil*]: So basically you're trying to say that the kindness in people's hearts can help out people in need. Nice hallmark thingy, but I don't think It's as reliable as a healthplan for everyone. So nobody falls through loopholes and gets screwed over.
2005-02-09 [farfy girl]: Yeah right, as if the government would have less loopholes than a charity... e_e You people think that the government will make everything better, but since so many politicians are just in it for personal gain, do you truly think that they're just in it for the common good? The government is much more likely to "screw someone over" than a charitable organization that only exists to serve. Even if some charities are corrupt, you can choose for yourself which one is the most righteous and give to them instead of being forced to fork it over to Big Brother. It's basically a monopoly, government welfare. Anything more you want to give is only on top of what you have to give them.
2005-02-09 [KimoN]: well it works in britain it can work in America. I totally agree that the American government is currupt, and thats why they dont spend much on healthcare, they care more about themselves than the population. THe problems is that charities can not replace a government. If we gathered up all the money donated by Americans towards health related charities, i bet they wouldnt come to 5% of the money spent on healthcare in America....pro
2005-02-09 [KimoN]: Someone once said that if the people is fearful of the government there is no freedom, but if the government is afraid of the people there is. Its true.
2005-02-09 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: Yep, very true. We need to instill fear!
2005-02-09 [Cat0132]: the government already has a huge debt, and thanks to terrorists we have to spend even more to try to keep them out, even though hundreds of illegals are comming in daily. Charities DO work better, they get money where its needed and when people give they know where its going, unlike the government which is a bit more of a mystery. And if a ig charity IS corrupt Bill O'Reilly likes to smack them over then head...lol...
2005-02-09 [Dil*]: How can you expect charities to cover the millions of people that don't have healthplans? Govt. healthplans work in Canada -and- Britain. That makes 2 :)
2005-02-09 [KimoN]: And dont forget all the other EU countries like france who subsidise healthcare 90% or is rembursed 100% to those who cant afford
2005-02-09 [KimoN]: Im sorry to say Eldheler that charities are not working at all in america.
2005-02-09 [farfy girl]: Eldheler raises a valid point that has had me enraged for some time... Illegals are pouring into my state of Texas, and the state of California, and sucking us dry. When we vote to scrape these leeches off who come over here and have lots of babies (who are legally US citizens...) it gets overturned by the courts! How much should someone have to give to the country to deserve it? Should our borders just be smacked down? Because as far as I know, there hardly is one at all.
2005-02-09 [farfy girl]: Take a look at these numbers: "Americans generally help people abroad the same way they help people at home: through private charities, religious organizations, foundations, corporations, universities and money sent to relatives. In 2000, all this came to more than $35 billion, more than three times what the government gave. And this does did not include giving by local churches or by overseas affiliates of American corporations." (Courtesy http://www.yur
2005-02-09 [farfy girl]: can be prevented if people could just keep their pants zipped, while cancer is much harder to prevent, and is not directly linked to immoral and irresponsible behaviour.
2005-02-10 [KimoN]: im not really talking about charity abroad im talking about healthcare in america. i think its more like 35 million not billion anyways which is peanuts for all those countires affected by the tsunami. peanuts. The thing is that cancer is a lot more common in america than AIDS, so more funds should be diverted towards it because cancer can be treatable, where as in AIDs u usually die in 5-10 yrs. Weather keeping your pants zipped is immoral or not is a matter of opinion, and its completely unlikely that the American population will comply with that lol. I recommend contraception instead. So do you kinda recognise that the health system in america is dire now or are you still for it?
2005-02-10 [farfy girl]: Oh, come on... Whether keeping your pants zipped or not is considered immoral by you or not, it shows lack of self-control, and disregard of the consequences. Besides, the only form of contraception that actually protects against AIDS is a condom, which doesn't work too well. If an individual really cares about him/herself, they would abstain for fear of catching it and spreading it to others, and giving life to a child that would never have a chance at living it out the way that every new person in the world should have a shot at. The way I see it, your last post just made my point.
2005-02-10 [farfy girl]: Also, if Amercicans are so generous with people overseas, why wouldn't they be even more generous to someone in their own neighborhood? Notice that the statistics that I stated above are for 2000, not 2004, when the tsunami disaster happened, so it's probably a ton bigger than it was then.
2005-02-10 [Cat0132]: you CHOOSE the right charities, or just do what I do and donate directly to a place I WORK AT and KNOW how it works...its 950 million now, and thats not half as much as what people from here are GIVING we give more indivually and my company then the government does because we arent taxed as much for that type of thing, therefore the people can give what they can give instead of being sucked dry while others are giving only part of what they could.
2005-02-10 [Dil*]: Someone get statistics to see if this charity system works. I mean we could go on about the ethics all day long, but someone should get to the bottom line. If it works or not. When I was younger I watched this movie made in America and this old guy broke his leg. He stayed at home while people kinda nursed him back to health; I asked my parents why didn't he just go to the hospital. And they said this movie is centered around America and lots of people just can't afford healthcare. I didn't understand this at all; a person with a broken leg can't even afford to go to a hospital? And the hospital won't accept him without money...that's just something I can't comprehend; even now.
2005-02-10 [farfy girl]: Then you live in la-la land, honestly. The world is tough no matter where you are, in one way or another. Life sucks, then you die.
2005-02-10 [Kyrinn]: I agree with farfy, there is always a low for every high, in any country, no matter what you say. Take a look at your country, a nice long hard look and then tell me if its nice a flawless.
2005-02-10 [Dil*]: Not nice or flawless, but you can improve it. There's always room for improvement.
2005-02-10 [Kyrinn]: well then, what makes you think the US is not trying to come up with a solution? Sadly, it is a state by state issue, every state is different. Alaska has a fairly reliable system, but it has its problems. It is thanks to my state that I can afford my son's insulin and the care he needs.
2005-02-10 [Dil*]: Is anyone actually going to look for statistics?
2005-02-10 [Cat0132]: statistics for what charity and when? there millions, some people give through favorites bands ect, its insane there is no limit to it, you can give throug companies as well, like AOL was giving through small donations be thousands of people, that got a couple million a every few hours for the tsunami.
2005-02-11 [Dil*]: No I don't live in la-la land...btw, 2 feet on the ground. Very liberal and always wanting change for the better. Just found out some new info. Healthcare does cost Canadians....o
2005-02-11 [Dil*]: I hear people that can afford get insurance for accidents are covered for healthcare...b
2005-02-17 [single]: you do NOT need to suport bush to support our troops.
2005-02-17 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: .....
2005-02-17 [Cat0132]: why should people lean on the government? they should lean on other people not on a huge organization of types which can easily become corrupt. there is very affordable health insurance here too, but it provided by insurance companies not the government...
2005-02-17 [KimoN]: how can you lean on other people you know when you live in a ghetto?
2005-02-18 [Cat0132]: there are other people around, organizations which arent corrupt, I'm not saying lean on your neighbor there are plenty of people in this country who are happy to help.
2005-02-18 [Dil*]: What are you saying...that your govt is too incompetent to care for healthcare of people living in the gutters?
2005-02-18 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: it would be nice if we could count on our neighbors to help, or even our friends. But saddly, too many people are likely to turn on a friend nowadays
2005-02-18 [Dil*]: That's what I'm getting at!
2005-02-18 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: I've had atleast 2 friends stab me in the back. Both over stupid guy things.
2005-02-18 [Portal]: every one loves a little bit of bush.. though i prefer to be clean shaven myself :D
2005-02-18 [Cat0132]: hehe...and dil have you ever been here? obviously not, it doesnt work like that, I can bitch about the suckiness of one point in your government all day but its just not how this country works, this country works somewhat as a 'fend for yourself or get private help' thats why we are still here why we have always been so strong because we have competition you get better, this is why america is powerful and canada isnt even if you have 'better living standards' most people in this country have very good living conditions espically compared to most of the world, why else are there hundreds of people flooding into this country?
2005-02-18 [Constansia]: because of the fire.......do you know how estonian goverment fires you? ..its so sad to wach...our cuntry is so littel and helpless...it wod take 2 hours to take controll over our cuntry......th
2005-02-18 [Constansia]: its because our lands have suffered from beginnings of the human natsion...amer
2005-02-18 [Dil*]: Living standards are better here overall, what would you rather have better living standards or power. And it doesn't matter if I've been to America or not. There's always the gutter slums, just go to the bad part of town to experience what real poverty is. And I'd be damned if the place you live in is more multicultural than vancouver! lol. really now. No one here is really canadian, everyone kinda immigrated here at some point or another. Why do people flood here?
2005-02-18 [Cat0132]: You saying America isnt mulit cultured? Go to Miami and tell me there is a place like that in Canada...I really want to go to Miami actually, practice my Spanish! Even in Boston we have the Irish, there are the Scotish, Itailans, alot of Portugeuse, Russians, French, German everything is here even though we are shoved in a far away corner there is so much culture here its wonderful...No one here is truely American except the Native Americans who still came here from China a LONG time ago, thats a really bad arguement. I've been to the slums, I've benn to the slums of Mississippi the poorest state in America trust me I know it isnt perfect but I dont think healthcare should come from the go
2005-02-19 [Dil*]: No, I didn't say once that America ain't multi-cultural
2005-02-19 [Lioness123]: lol, I could have fun with that argument
2005-02-19 [Dil*]: yes, but it's stupid/pointle
2005-02-20 [Cat0132]: haha...gah my hair is insane...get out of my face! AHHHHHH! *is pounce by static-y hair*
2005-02-20 [Dil*]: >.>
2005-02-20 [Cat0132]: I'm serious though, I hate dry cold weather...DIE
2005-02-20 [Dil*]: Used to it. I mean, as long as it isn't raining I'm happy :P.
2005-02-20 [Cat0132]: Well I spend half my life in Florida...and its vacation and I'm not somewhere warm...*wah* lol...
2005-02-21 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: It is cold and rainy here :P
2005-02-21 [farfy girl]: I would really like to move to someplace like Kentucky, where it's not so hot. It's very humid and hot in my part of Texas, but we don't get a lot of rain. I like rain.. =)
2005-02-22 [Dil*]: How can you like rain?! !#@@# (sorry for my outburst, it just rains so much here)
2005-02-22 [Cat0132]: have you ever been somewhere so humid its sticky? rain feels so good after that...and then it clears up and its DRY its so great...*sigh*
2005-02-22 [Dil*]: sticky o.O
2005-02-23 [Cat0132]: yeah its gross...I used to live in texas *blech*
2005-02-23 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: I like warm rain, like they get in Singapore. Not cold rain. What part of Texas, Farfy?
2005-02-24 [farfy girl]: Hill country. Tis around central Texas, on the Edward's plateau.
2005-02-24 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: Ok, Cool, I grew up about 1 1/2 hrs north of Dallas
2005-02-26 [elfboy]: I was born in Needles, CA.
2005-02-26 [Jeesum Crowe]: *whistles* I didn't know a place like this existed. *pokes it* Cool. *wanders off because she doesn't support Bush >.>*
2005-02-28 [Tiger Shark]: what, you didn't think people with common sense existed? hmm....
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Well, the only person who could, through common sense (note the correct spelling), support Bush, is either a greedy businessman, a misanthropist or a masochist.
2005-02-28 [Dil*]: Or just plain brainwashed.
2005-02-28 [Kyrinn]: Um.. I am none of those things, Ertarkano, thank you very much. ^^
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: Hey, assuming I can support him while hating him, can I join?
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Well, if you were brainwashed, you wouldn't know that you were brainwashed would you?
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: Ertarkano, if she is brainwashed, nothing you could say would change her mind.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: So if she fails to change her mind, it proves that she is brainwashed.
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: Or that she likes Bush...someone could make the same argument towards you. Would you change your mind?
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Well, I doubt anyone could change my opinion that Bush is stupid. But feel free to try, and if you provide me with convincing arguments, I will.
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: Was that directed at me? I couldn't tell you why he isn't stupid.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Why is that?
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: Because he is...
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: :D
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: But why do you support him?
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: Because he's our president. It's a horrible idea not to support him. Even if he is a stupid, bible-thumping asswipe.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: But only through voicing your discontent will he change.
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: Oh, I'll still voice my discontent. Loudly.
2005-02-28 [Kyrinn]: Good grief, Ertarkano. I am not brain washed, I know exactly what I am doing and what I support. Just because I do not feel the way you do does not make me brainwashed. You, however, are brainwashed, in that you seem to think you are in the right (and in your own opinion you are) and everyone else is wrong. You are entitled to your opinion, and I to mine. Its not brainwashing, it is a right of this country. I can support whomever and whatever I wish, freely and without being forced. ^^
2005-02-28 [Kyrinn]: As for 'Bible thumping asswipe' its nice to see a president admit to being a godly person and go to church. Look at what Clinton was known for, not inhaling and classifying oral sex as a non sexual act. GREAT EXAMPLE, eh? Bush goes to church, and prays and doesnt hide behind his position. If all you can say that is hurtful is he is a bible thumping asswipe, then so be it. At least he doesnt cheat on his wife and lie about sleeping with interns.
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: Bible thumping and asswipe were supposed to be seperate.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: No, instead Bush tries to force democracy on countries that don't want it, deceive his country, take money away from schools and give it to the military, and incorporate his own religion into a state that should be separate from religion.
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: and I didn't like Clinton either.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: I didn't like him, but I would rather have him as president than Bush.
2005-02-28 [Kyrinn]: Clinton was the worst president we ever had and I am glad he is not a president anymore. The man was IMPEACHED, ppl! You want that as your president? As for the forcing, we try to help those countries and we get pooped on for our efforts. THe US is damned if we do, damned if we dont. We help, we are bullies, we dont, and we are mean. You tell me what we are supposed to do then? And as for an asswipe, doesnt that make us all asswipes? If you say you arent one, doesnt that mean you dont wipe your ass? Yuck.. must be rather itchy, lol
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Asswipe = something one wipes one's ass with. Maybe we should focus not on what Clinton did in his personal life, but in his administration
2005-02-28 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: If you want to bash Bush why don't you just go to the Bush Haters Association? They'd welcome you there.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Well, I enjoy debate.
2005-02-28 [nokaredes]: I didn't come here to debate...I came here to join and I think I got jumped on. :\ I'm going to go find or found my own Pro-Bush wiki now.
2005-02-28 [Ri'hala]: Oh, btw Ert, if it wasn't for Clinton's administration
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Civilians who died in 9/11 = almost 3,000. Civilians who have died in Iraq due to military intervention = 16,123 - 18,395.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Who's faults are greater, then? Clinton's or Bush's?
2005-02-28 [Dil*]: Bush has been warned about possible terrorist attacks before and he did nothing about it = 9/11
2005-02-28 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: Then go join a debate wiki Ert. And who are you to judge sins? are you sinless?
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: I know I have my faults. But that is no reason why I cannot point out faults in others.
2005-02-28 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: But then don't be shocked if other's point out your's. The Golden Rule says only to do something if you want it done to you.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: I won't be shocked if people try to point out my flaws.
2005-02-28 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: And one of them is you are an Ass that doesn't even realize how things are really done.
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Why do you say that?
2005-02-28 [Ri'hala]: Because it's true. Oh, by the way, Dil, even though he was warned, he never had enough time to actually set a major operation in motion, since he was warned so late by Clinton's former Administration
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: Ri'hala and Lady Edana, your inability to follow up on any of your statements makes you both perfect examples of the typical Bush supporter: stupid, politically ignorant, biased and foolish
2005-02-28 [Kyrinn]: Look, Ertarkano, you are being insulting, and that is REALLY not the way to get your point across. Remove your head from your ass, and just shut up.
2005-02-28 [Kyrinn]: More, you are not even American, and you are only 16 years old. Why should we pay any attention at all to your childish rantings? You dont live in this country, Bush is not even your president, so dont go about telling us how we should be. SHeesh.....
2005-02-28 [Maurer's conclusions]: First of all, I am half-American, but I live overseas. Second of all, do not tell me to take my head out of my ass, when you are the ones blinded by Bush's duplicity. Thirdly, don't critcise me for being insulting, when other members are as well. Age means nothing, I know many people who, although they are older, are much less politically savvy than younger ones.
2005-03-01 [Kyrinn]: Ah, so you can give the insults, but not take them. Sad and pathetic. I dont really care if you are half american, you are insulting and yet you get insulted so easily yourself. Your head is up your ass, and its obvious you cant see that BECAUSE your head is up your ass. I support my president, Ertarkano, and no amount of your whining will change that. So, learn to take it like you give it. You arent even worth ranting at anymore, go bother ppl who care, alright? Bye.
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: um, E, I spelled it right ya know.
2005-03-01 [Kyrinn]: *whistles idly* Spelled what right?
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: go back two comment pages. I like to catch up with what I missed while I'm gone...<< >>
2005-03-01 [Kyrinn]: Ahhhhh I see... ^^
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: myep. anywho
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: Umm, wtf, this is stupid. You guys are insulting eachother's maturity yet being hypocritical about it. We shouldn't be reduced to flamewars such as this. But I'll state some quick facts. It maybe better if you're not American to know about these things. 3rd person view is more effective all in all. Being young doesn't necessarilly make you stupid on things like politics.
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: Bush did nothing even though he was warned, the first thing he did when he went into office was to try to find ways to attack Iraq. That was back in 1998, and he wasn't concerned about terrorism at all. Just because bush is your leader, doesn't make him more correct or right.
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: um, are you for Bush, or against him?
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: AGAINST BUSH. I will be writing some stuff about why the republicans are all a bunch of loonies.
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: aaaand that's why I'm not a democrat. they always shoot names. We RESPECT the other's point of view INSTEAD of calling them rude names.
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: Well I have good reasons to dislike bush; well it's not so much him as the people controlling him.
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: controlling him? jeeze..
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: He's either pretending to be dumb or being controlled by Bush Senior and lobbysts.
2005-03-01 [Kyrinn]: Boy what is it about Democrats? Youre complaining about Republicans?? Good grief, all the Democrats I know (present company included) are certified LOONS who dont see beyond the ends of their noses, letting their emotions control them, and throw tantrums and whine. The Republicans I know listen to what is said and answer knowledgeably, instead of sounding like freaks.
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: Watching the presidential debates, kerry seemed pretty controlled. So I beg to differ. Maybe democrats are more emotional because they actually care.
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: Ever heard of Shawn Hanity(sp?)?
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: No, but ever heard of Bill Maher, he's pretty funny and I was at this school presentation by this Journalist Dr. Dyer and he explained alot of what's happening at the moment. First I thought it was mostly about the oil, but now I've gotten into another interesting factor.
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: I hate the media...
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: Yet you like to obey it, I mean how much terrorist cover do you guys get? Terrorists are not even a threat to you Americans, you have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than be killed by a terrorist.
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: I'd like to disagree to both of those statements.
2005-03-01 [nokaredes]: I'm a Democrat, and I haven't thrown a tantrum or whined since I was young. I'm also only 16.
2005-03-01 [nokaredes]: And I have heard of both Shawn Hannity and Bill Maher.
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: well, think about it. 100,000 people die in the world each day. Maybe one of those deaths are caused by terrorism. And no Americans have been attacked in America since 9/11 by a terrorist. Not even an attempt.
2005-03-01 [nokaredes]: in America...
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: you know how many family members of mine are in Iraq right now, doing what they voulenteered for? you know what happened to my dad out there? I support my president. and what right have you to flame the president of a country you don't even live in?
2005-03-01 [Kyrinn]: I agree with Tiger Shark. Ive friends and family over there as well. And I get insanely irritated by ppl who live in another country telling us how we need to be. Or how you think we should be. Guess what, you dont LIVE in America, so why should we listen to you? Worry about the crap in your own country before you whine about ours. ^^
2005-03-01 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: Same here Tiger. Oh and Er, if you are still around, Not everyone can spend every minute online. I had other things that were more important then telling a stupid high school student who hasn't even taken high school government why he's an idiot. Go take some more indepth COLLEGE courses on the government, polotics, and psycology, then tell me you understand perfectly how this country is run and why it should be run differently.
2005-03-01 [Tiger Shark]: seriously, why am I on here? I hate talking polotics...it hurts too much..
2005-03-01 [nokaredes]: Have you taken college courses in Government? (not trying to start something, just curious...)
2005-03-01 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: Yes
2005-03-01 [nokaredes]: Neato.
2005-03-01 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: it's not my fav. subject though
2005-03-01 [nokaredes]: It wouldn't be mine, either ^_^
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: Why don't you defend your ideas instead of 1.Making notes about my age 2.Making notes about where I live. These are people's lives we're talking about, not just American lives either. Alot of people have died in a war that in my mind is not justified. A lightbulb inside your heads should go off when no one supports your war in Iraq. Sure britain did, that's only because Tony Blair dragged the british kicking and screaming into that war.
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: Everyone helped you guys out in Afghanistan, Canadians, germans, Russians and even the French helped out. Why? Because It's obvious that Afghanistan was the home of Osama Bin Laden. Now lets see now, Iraq, Saddam Has nothing to do with anything. He has no ties to those terrorist and has no ties to 9/11 either. He's just a bastard dictator, but unfortunately there's lots of those around the world. Just that Iraq has oil. Why do you think I care so much anyways? Because I feel bad for those noble people that would volunteer to go to war for the 'greater good' of their country just to be manipulated and used. It would be great if I was wrong about all this, but can you guys afford to
2005-03-01 [Dil*]: but can you guys afford to be wrong? If I was wrong, I'd just kick back and have a cappucino or something. It would be nice if things were black and white.
2005-03-01 [Kyrinn]: Are we back to that again, Dilandau? We are NOT in Iraq for the damn oil, if we are, then where is it? Why is my gas still 2.30 a gallon? Saddam Hussein has done attrocities to his own ppl and threatened the US as well as other countries, and he housed terrorists. I spoke to a man who said that the Iraqis are happy we are there trying to help them, but that doesnt get into the news, now does it? and before you bitch and moan about it, he was a soldier over there, and plans to go back, becuase he was well received and welcomed, not shunned.
2005-03-01 [Maurer's conclusions]: If the Iraqis are so 'happy about it', then why is there a need for US troops?
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